"You see things as they are and ask 'Why?' I dream of things as they never were and ask, 'Why not?'" - George Bernard Shaw
I recently reread my favourite Real Person Fiction. I was thirteen the first time I read it and as I have gotten older and gained more knowledge and perspective it has grown with me, offering up new challenges and insights with each reading. It is by any standards a masterpiece and it was written by arguably the finest writer that there has ever been. I'm tempted to cut and paste a huge quote as it is truly a flawless work, and there is much to enjoy on every page however I'll just quote the first few lines to give you a flavour of it and urge you to read the whole thing at the first opportunity:
"Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried."
If RPF writers have a patron saint then surely it is Shakespeare. His historical plays and some of the tragedies – Macbeth, Pericles of Tyre, Anthony and Cleopatra, Titus Andronicus (if you squint) – are all about real people a facet of whose public personas and mythogies he took to craft new stories. We do it to Paul McDermott; Shakespeare did it to King Richard III.
Make no mistake to be an RPF writer is to keep heady literary company that spans millennia. From Homer writing about Odysseus to the Bronté sisters' childhood epics about Napoleon to the winner of last year's Booker Prize who took the award with an RPF.
On that basis I should be proud of being an RPF writer and happy to declare myself as someone who frequently indulges in this most pleasurable pastime. As it is the number of people who know me by name and not as capsy and who also know that I write RPF is zero, and I intend to keep it that way.
Why? Because RPF has a terrible image problem. A quick scamper about the interweb will reveal it to be derided by people who engage with fandom by writing about fictional characters, and dismissed as alarming tinhat behaviour by those entirely outside of it. Life's too short to have to explain again and again and in detail what is put so succinctly on this site's disclaimer page:
"The characters portrayed by the Doug Anthony Allstars were multi-faceted and therefore give a wide spectrum for interpretation. Please bear in mind that it is in no way intended for anyone to perceive the 'real' people as they are portrayed in these fics."
To me it has always been clear. When I read the stories on the board I no more think I'm reading the truth about a real person than I would if I were reading Harry Potter. And when I write I try to write characters whose behaviour and relationships seem believable in the context of the situations I have placed them in. I don't feel that what I post here and what I like to read here marks me out as someone who is stalkerish or obsessive or unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality. But seeing as that is what RPF means to the uninitiated I'll be keeping my involvement in it anonymous.
Are any of you out and proud as RPF writers? Or is there a part of you that wonders whether or not we are being a bit creepy?
I recently reread my favourite Real Person Fiction. I was thirteen the first time I read it and as I have gotten older and gained more knowledge and perspective it has grown with me, offering up new challenges and insights with each reading. It is by any standards a masterpiece and it was written by arguably the finest writer that there has ever been. I'm tempted to cut and paste a huge quote as it is truly a flawless work, and there is much to enjoy on every page however I'll just quote the first few lines to give you a flavour of it and urge you to read the whole thing at the first opportunity:
"Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried."
If RPF writers have a patron saint then surely it is Shakespeare. His historical plays and some of the tragedies – Macbeth, Pericles of Tyre, Anthony and Cleopatra, Titus Andronicus (if you squint) – are all about real people a facet of whose public personas and mythogies he took to craft new stories. We do it to Paul McDermott; Shakespeare did it to King Richard III.
Make no mistake to be an RPF writer is to keep heady literary company that spans millennia. From Homer writing about Odysseus to the Bronté sisters' childhood epics about Napoleon to the winner of last year's Booker Prize who took the award with an RPF.
On that basis I should be proud of being an RPF writer and happy to declare myself as someone who frequently indulges in this most pleasurable pastime. As it is the number of people who know me by name and not as capsy and who also know that I write RPF is zero, and I intend to keep it that way.
Why? Because RPF has a terrible image problem. A quick scamper about the interweb will reveal it to be derided by people who engage with fandom by writing about fictional characters, and dismissed as alarming tinhat behaviour by those entirely outside of it. Life's too short to have to explain again and again and in detail what is put so succinctly on this site's disclaimer page:
"The characters portrayed by the Doug Anthony Allstars were multi-faceted and therefore give a wide spectrum for interpretation. Please bear in mind that it is in no way intended for anyone to perceive the 'real' people as they are portrayed in these fics."
To me it has always been clear. When I read the stories on the board I no more think I'm reading the truth about a real person than I would if I were reading Harry Potter. And when I write I try to write characters whose behaviour and relationships seem believable in the context of the situations I have placed them in. I don't feel that what I post here and what I like to read here marks me out as someone who is stalkerish or obsessive or unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality. But seeing as that is what RPF means to the uninitiated I'll be keeping my involvement in it anonymous.
Are any of you out and proud as RPF writers? Or is there a part of you that wonders whether or not we are being a bit creepy?
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UltraChrome
27 May 2010 - 11:56 AM
Ahh, something I have been thinking about a LOT, lately...
re-reading some of the stuff I have written...and wondering if I should have written it at all, let alone, posting it in a public place, where anyone (namely the subjects of my writing) can access it and read it.
I must say, a fair few people know I write, but they do not know exactly what I write, or who I write it about.
I have shared a few of my less obvious pieces with a couple of people outside of this place, and have had good feedback, but I admit that telling them I write 'fanfic' is not something I want to do.
I would feel like they'd think I'm a little creepy, and considering some of them already think I'm nuts for being so 'interested' in my celebs, I doubt it would go down well.
Lately there has been a part of me that feels creepy for doing this, especially since actually seeing both Paul and Tim in the flesh, in such a close proximity of time...for the first time, too.
But I don't see the trouble with it. If it was hurting the people I wrote about, then I'm sure we would know by now, and I would stop it immediately.
On the other hand... it is something I really love to do, explore a character that has been somewhat established already, at least in the reader's mind, and to extend on it, tweak it a little, manipulate them in a purely imaginative sense.
It's a harmless (I hope) way to have a little control over something I know I will never actually be able to own, or dictate.
And this is why I haven't posted much in a while.
Hopefully I'll get through it, and start again, because, if nothing else, my ego loves the positive feedback.
re-reading some of the stuff I have written...and wondering if I should have written it at all, let alone, posting it in a public place, where anyone (namely the subjects of my writing) can access it and read it.
I must say, a fair few people know I write, but they do not know exactly what I write, or who I write it about.
I have shared a few of my less obvious pieces with a couple of people outside of this place, and have had good feedback, but I admit that telling them I write 'fanfic' is not something I want to do.
I would feel like they'd think I'm a little creepy, and considering some of them already think I'm nuts for being so 'interested' in my celebs, I doubt it would go down well.
Lately there has been a part of me that feels creepy for doing this, especially since actually seeing both Paul and Tim in the flesh, in such a close proximity of time...for the first time, too.
But I don't see the trouble with it. If it was hurting the people I wrote about, then I'm sure we would know by now, and I would stop it immediately.
On the other hand... it is something I really love to do, explore a character that has been somewhat established already, at least in the reader's mind, and to extend on it, tweak it a little, manipulate them in a purely imaginative sense.
It's a harmless (I hope) way to have a little control over something I know I will never actually be able to own, or dictate.
And this is why I haven't posted much in a while.
Hopefully I'll get through it, and start again, because, if nothing else, my ego loves the positive feedback.
jem4water
27 May 2010 - 01:52 PM
I keep my RPF writing under wraps except for one friend that has read one of my longer DAAS fics, and one friend who also used to write in the same fandom that I did years ago. I do this because there is a stigma associated with fanfiction writers; for me, even though I know it isn't true, when I am confronted with the words 'fanfiction writer' I think of a chubby thirteen-year-old girl sitting in the dark writing Good Charlotte fanfiction. That's only because that's what I was, and it's forever forged in my mind. Now that I'm older and have grown a bit - with my interests changing and my writing becoming a lot more refined than what it originally was - I can see why people can see something wrong with RPF fiction, but I'm personally fine with it if it doesn't harm anyone.
I also don't publicly declare myself as an RPF writer because I write slash, and the community that I live in isn't too big on the whole gay thing. I also like the anonymity that the Internet gives me in posting my writing, unless I want to give more details and let people know who I really am.
I'm fine with just posting RPF as a hobby and maybe altering some as proper pieces of writing, but unless people actually asked if I wrote it, I wouldn't come out and say it.
I also don't publicly declare myself as an RPF writer because I write slash, and the community that I live in isn't too big on the whole gay thing. I also like the anonymity that the Internet gives me in posting my writing, unless I want to give more details and let people know who I really am.
I'm fine with just posting RPF as a hobby and maybe altering some as proper pieces of writing, but unless people actually asked if I wrote it, I wouldn't come out and say it.
Mama Flame
27 May 2010 - 10:07 PM
Although she hasn't read any of my work my mum knows what I write, and one of our family friends know what I write as well.
Outside of that it's everyone here that knows what I write, and the guys (I wonder if/when I see them again they'll click that it's me now my face is in my profile
).
Honestly, it doesn't really bother me - apart from my homophobic brother and bitch-in-law - if ppl find out what I write. I couldn't have said that a few years ago but having the knowledge that we are known to those we write about, and probably to the wider comedian community in general *listens to the gasps of those reading this* has allowed me to feel confident about writing it.
Hell, all it would take is an email from any of them, and/or some sort of cease-and-desist legal mumbo-jumbo, and I would close this place down. Years ago, before I took it over, one of them took offence to one of the stories here but things were sorted out and, well, we're still here!!
I couldn't explain why I write/read it either but it still wouldn't stop me. I love it too much to just give it up. If I didn't then I wouldn't have kept this place going through the tough years that's for sure.
ps: I know your real name capsy
Let me know when you head to that island and I'll send you the stories via floating bottles
Outside of that it's everyone here that knows what I write, and the guys (I wonder if/when I see them again they'll click that it's me now my face is in my profile
Honestly, it doesn't really bother me - apart from my homophobic brother and bitch-in-law - if ppl find out what I write. I couldn't have said that a few years ago but having the knowledge that we are known to those we write about, and probably to the wider comedian community in general *listens to the gasps of those reading this* has allowed me to feel confident about writing it.
Hell, all it would take is an email from any of them, and/or some sort of cease-and-desist legal mumbo-jumbo, and I would close this place down. Years ago, before I took it over, one of them took offence to one of the stories here but things were sorted out and, well, we're still here!!
I couldn't explain why I write/read it either but it still wouldn't stop me. I love it too much to just give it up. If I didn't then I wouldn't have kept this place going through the tough years that's for sure.
ps: I know your real name capsy
lscje
28 May 2010 - 07:00 AM
I know Mama knows my name 
As for the celebrities themselves, I don't suppose they think too deeply about it. None of us know what they are really like. They might be really nice, they might be horrid. They could even stink of BO who the hell knows through a computer/TV screen? Therefore, I don't think that they would worry too much about us writing in accordance to what we have seen of them 'on stage.' In saying that, I sure as hell am not about to admit to my friends and family that I have been writing fanfiction.
I know that Ann Rice took offence to fanfiction following on from her books, but J K Rowling encourages the use of imagination and is happy for people to use her characters as an outlet to creativity. After all, she is the master of imagination and is probably quite pleased that she has inspired.
As for the celebrities themselves, I don't suppose they think too deeply about it. None of us know what they are really like. They might be really nice, they might be horrid. They could even stink of BO who the hell knows through a computer/TV screen? Therefore, I don't think that they would worry too much about us writing in accordance to what we have seen of them 'on stage.' In saying that, I sure as hell am not about to admit to my friends and family that I have been writing fanfiction.
I know that Ann Rice took offence to fanfiction following on from her books, but J K Rowling encourages the use of imagination and is happy for people to use her characters as an outlet to creativity. After all, she is the master of imagination and is probably quite pleased that she has inspired.
fairybaby
28 May 2010 - 09:46 AM
My husband knows that I write stuff here and he has even read most of it (and the only issue he takes to this place is the amount of time I spend here) but there is no way I would ever tell any of the rest of my family and friends about it because they would freak out. But I honestly believe that if we are not hurting anyone, what is the harm? I find it to be quite a nice venting facility when I need it and it gets some reading enjoyment out to others (not that I have posted much lately).
And I do also like the rule of not using real family members names etc because it does make it more about the stories and not the actual people, because as a few people have already mentioned, we don't really know the real people anyway.
And most people here know my real name
And I do also like the rule of not using real family members names etc because it does make it more about the stories and not the actual people, because as a few people have already mentioned, we don't really know the real people anyway.
And most people here know my real name
Mama Flame
28 May 2010 - 10:01 AMcapsy_wennet, on 28 May 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:
p.s How do you know my real name, mama? Is it through paypal because that's not my name. mysterious capsy is mysterious 
Sneaky gal!
axlgreese
28 May 2010 - 01:30 PM
I didn't actually know about the wider fanfic-ing community's problems with RPS until after I'd found - and become addicted to - this place and the writing of everyone here. I do occasionally think that what we do is a little weird, maybe creepy, but like most people have already said, if it doesn't hurt anyone, I can't see a problem with it. And, again, the fact that people know that we write about them and are okay with it helps with that. For me, it feels like we are really just writing characters anyway.
This place, everyone here as both writers and readers, and DAAS in general has helped me to cope with some problems I'd been having when I joined and inspired me to write again, after a dry spell of almost a year, and so means a lot to me. I have a couple of very close friends, and I'd count my dad as one of them, and they all know that I write RPS and have read some of what I've written. Sometimes I even make them listen to my plot problems and help me hammer out ideas. The only thing I don't tell them about are the smuttier aspects of my writing/reading.
And it doesn't matter to me if anyone here knows my real name, and I'm changing it next year anyway
This place, everyone here as both writers and readers, and DAAS in general has helped me to cope with some problems I'd been having when I joined and inspired me to write again, after a dry spell of almost a year, and so means a lot to me. I have a couple of very close friends, and I'd count my dad as one of them, and they all know that I write RPS and have read some of what I've written. Sometimes I even make them listen to my plot problems and help me hammer out ideas. The only thing I don't tell them about are the smuttier aspects of my writing/reading.
And it doesn't matter to me if anyone here knows my real name, and I'm changing it next year anyway
fairybaby
28 May 2010 - 03:29 PM
Yes axl, that is another thing I meant to say....this community is so supportive of each other...even outside of the actual writing of stories....so that makes me feel that the fact that this board is around is a wonderful thing for all
fatherbananas
29 May 2010 - 02:17 AM
I've written both RPF and fictional characters in the past, and the issue here is something I've never experienced myself, but I've definitely come across. There are also people in my real life (though they are very few) who know I write these things, but I think the reason I've never encountered it is because everyone who knows me knows that I have just finished studying creative writing, and I see fanfiction as one of the best ways to get in writing practice, to experiment with ideas and to ultimately have fun with writing. Whether that is with real people or with fictional characters shouldn't make a difference, because sane people should realise that none of this actually happened (to our knowledge).
I think the problem comes from the small but prominent number of fanfic writers who use their fics to cruelly bash characters they don't like. One I remember is a man who wrote graphically about his desire to rape and murder all of Girls Aloud. A few people take it too far, and unfortunately, their behaviour seems to have stereotyped the rest of us, which is a real tragedy.
I think the problem comes from the small but prominent number of fanfic writers who use their fics to cruelly bash characters they don't like. One I remember is a man who wrote graphically about his desire to rape and murder all of Girls Aloud. A few people take it too far, and unfortunately, their behaviour seems to have stereotyped the rest of us, which is a real tragedy.
Leafy07
04 June 2010 - 12:13 PM
I'm a few days late to this party but I thought I'd add my two cents 
I don't actually write RPF, but I do write fanfiction for some TV shows. Occasionally. Like I went through a one month phase last year where I wrote some stuff. I don't widely advertise this in RL because of the stigma associated with fanfiction. I have one friend who read a fic of mine even though it was slash and she loved it, so I'm not that secretive anymore.
I do have a couple of friends who read fic a lot, mainly Harry Potter though. It's hilarious. We're all 'English nerds', so we have discussions in which we analyse the conventions of Harry Potter fanfiction. I tell you, it sounds strange but it is so much fun. They read slash and I'm pretty sure one of them has read RPF, but they're still a little "Omg. So weird" about RPF and slash sometimes. They're even a little "TV shows? How can there be fanfiction for them??"
I honestly find the 'rules' surrounding fanfiction writing really interesting.
I don't actually write RPF, but I do write fanfiction for some TV shows. Occasionally. Like I went through a one month phase last year where I wrote some stuff. I don't widely advertise this in RL because of the stigma associated with fanfiction. I have one friend who read a fic of mine even though it was slash and she loved it, so I'm not that secretive anymore.
I do have a couple of friends who read fic a lot, mainly Harry Potter though. It's hilarious. We're all 'English nerds', so we have discussions in which we analyse the conventions of Harry Potter fanfiction. I tell you, it sounds strange but it is so much fun. They read slash and I'm pretty sure one of them has read RPF, but they're still a little "Omg. So weird" about RPF and slash sometimes. They're even a little "TV shows? How can there be fanfiction for them??"
I honestly find the 'rules' surrounding fanfiction writing really interesting.
elina
05 June 2010 - 08:43 AM
I just wrote a folkloristic twelve-page essay on this and the creepiness really hit me as well, and not just because it's about real people. I was in a fanfiction forum meeting recently, and only after the thing I realised that I had actually been standing in the centre of a crowded mall discussing hardcore gay porn with three teenage girls like it was the weather or something, as if twincest and wrapping people in cling film was something light you can just chat about in public with almost complete strangers. It feels a bit wrong to be able to read and discuss porn as literature, but not at the time: the fandom is a different reality, somehow.
Anyway, in the essay I ended up comparing slash with gay porn and came to the conclusion that pornographic slash is just gay porn for women by women, a collective sexual fantasy with a weird personality kink, in a way shared love put into words. The stalkerish trivia-obsession is admittedly a bit creepy, but I do think the world of fanfiction sees people as people and not just as objects, and that's a good thing.
Anyway, in the essay I ended up comparing slash with gay porn and came to the conclusion that pornographic slash is just gay porn for women by women, a collective sexual fantasy with a weird personality kink, in a way shared love put into words. The stalkerish trivia-obsession is admittedly a bit creepy, but I do think the world of fanfiction sees people as people and not just as objects, and that's a good thing.
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